Shamangineer | Water Alchemy, Fringe Science, & Viktor Schauberger

[erikx]

Regarding the Non-Directional Light in the Earth: There is an esoteric interpretation of this, too.

Traveling into the center of the earth could also be interpreted as traveling to the center, or source, of the soul/mind/consciousness. A flower grows out of the earth, the seed is planed in the earth. Thus, travelling into the earth is related to finding this seed of consciousness.

Remember the Christmas Story, in which shepherds watch over their sleeping flock at night; suddenly something appears in the sky and they follow a light, eventually finding Jesus.

1. The night indicates introspection or meditation/introspection/taking drugs.
2. The sleeping flock represents the calmed down mind.
3. The light is an interior light, probably of the soul. This light is non-directional and seems to fill the skull/brain/consciousness. This light is very real, I experienced it myself. Wearing some sort of blindfold may help.

 

[squidmark6]

Mind blowing episode, bring him back!!!

 

[earnest_b]

Erikx, I like your interpretation of "inner earth" since it doesn't require the redefinition of a lot of the known physical facts about descending into the subsurface. The earth has been riddled with exploratory boreholes for over a century and these boreholes all confirm the earth's geothermal gradient. The deepest borehole on record, the Kola Superdeep Borehole, measured a temperature of 180 °C (356 °F) at a depth of 12,262 metres.

Regardless of how you construct an inner earth model, I don't see how the incredible heat at even relatively shallow depths can be accounted for.

 

[nickzeptepi]

I've been reading some Jung depth psychology stuff -
Jung is the one who talks about the Self, shadow work and inner work all being part of Individuation. They also refer to this as the inner world of the psyche in nearly every Jungian book.

An as a side point people who can meditate quiet well talk of seeing a white light - or a spot od white light floating where the 3rd eye should be once you focus inward.

Oh yeah didn't Jesus talk about making you inner your outer then you will find the kingdom of heaven..

 

[erikx]

Regardless of how you construct an inner earth model, I don't see how the incredible heat at even relatively shallow depths can be accounted for.

Fun fact: Did you know that this is the exact same argument given in the novel Journey to the Center of the Earth (Jules Verne) by the protagonist named Axel?

 

[erikx]

I've been reading some Jung depth psychology stuff -
Jung is the one who talks about the Self, shadow work and inner work all being part of Individuation. They also refer to this as the inner world of the psyche in nearly every Jungian book.

An as a side point people who can meditate quiet well talk of seeing a white light - or a spot od white light floating where the 3rd eye should be once you focus inward.

Oh yeah didn't Jesus talk about making you inner your outer then you will find the kingdom of heaven..

I like Jung, but I am not sure that the psychoanalysts understood esoteric work correctly.

They psychoanalyse everything, but riddles are meant to be solved and understood - and not to be interpreted as symbols. Not everything is a symbol, some things are just signs, although garbled. I tried to explain that to an analyst, all I got was a blank stare.

I read the book an Alchemy by Marie-Louise von Franz, a direct student of Jung. My understanding of Alchemy differs extremely from her point of view.

 

[nickzeptepi]

I like Jung, but I am not sure that the psychoanalysts understood esoteric work correctly.

They psychoanalyse everything, but riddles are meant to be solved and understood - and not to be interpreted as symbols. Not everything is a symbol, some things are just signs, although garbled. I tried to explain that to an analyst, all I got was a blank stare.

I read the book an Alchemy by Marie-Louise von Franz, a direct student of Jung. My understanding of Alchemy differs extremely from her point of view.

In the context I was looking at - Archetypal images in dreams (inner world) represent things in your outer world, well it help me at the time.

This vid from electric universe basically says all planets with electromagnetic fields are hollow - even traditional astrophysicists agree with it but they make an exception for the earth because ..... (peer pressure)
at 7 mins it gets onto the earth.

 

[shamangineer]

Here is an excellent presentation by Callum Coats about Schauberger:

One of the more interesting things he mentions is around the 1:10 mark (start watching at 108:57) where he describes the Sun as a dark cold body and that the light from the sun is actually a result of the Suns rays being demodulated into UV, visible light, and heat by the atmosphere and gives a graph of temperatures in the upper atmosphere as evidence. He then gauges the response of the room and remarks that obviously the audience wasn't ready for that bombshell, and moves on. I know that is something that has been discussed several times on the show and thought it might interest people.

 

[enjoypolo]

Thank you Shamangineer for that video, I can't wait to have a look at it (did not see this recent post appear!)
I recently came across a short video post on instagram that blew me away. I thought it was a water snake, but it turns out that it's a plant root that grows in a coil shape and can go against the flow of water effortlessly.
I found it most fascinating and striking. From a common knowledge perspective, it's hard to explain how it's even possible. But it's precisely how Schauberger seems to describe the vortexing action that sucks/pulls. Anyways, much delight!

EDIT: I noticed that the root accelerates in the beginning, until it's speed stabilizes. Why? I'm assuming that the incoming flow of water regulates. So in theory, the faster the water flow, the faster this coil would move! I'm probably wrong, but isn't that like a "positive feedback loop" effect?
I can only speculate this would lead to many biomimetic applications, including more efficient propellers for boats (or fans?)

 

[shamangineer]

Great find, I tried to find info about the plant and came across this info about the medical uses, which itself tends to hint at it's ability to induce an etheric flow:
https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/ha...nd-a-wonder-herb-in-the-himalayas-709586.html

That may be part of why it starts moving in still water. Additionaly the Stuttgart experiments that Schauberger was involved with showed that in a series of pipes which induced a longitudinal vortex in the flow either by spiraling like a coiled spring or having an involute interior profile in straight pipe water's friction decreased until at certian critical velocities the water wasn't just frictionless, but had negative friction (induced flow).

The particular graph I refer to can be seen below where the friction coefficient dips below zero at two points as it varies in an oscillating undulation, possibly hinting at a harmonic relationship.

The full report (keep in mind Prof. Popel was quite uninterested in the experiment, and only proceeded with financial inducement and more than likely the prospect of shutting up such a blatant hydraulic heretic. While showing promising results, he wrote negatively about the experiment in the report):
https://www.freeenergyplanet.biz/free-energy-from-nature/the-popel-report.html

 

[enjoypolo]

Yes indeed! I like the etheric flow idea about this medicinal plant.

Earlier this year, I stumbled upon Aquadea, a German company that manufactures shower heads using Schauberger's principles of implosion and vortexing, and there is a video in particular where you can see the shower head in action, sucking in a plastic lid whereas it should conventionally fall (if it was a regular stream of water). It must be creating a vacuum that holds it in place.
Nice luxury to have, maybe one day!

PS: I've always wondered what would be the best way to create those spiralling pipes at home. In Copy and Comprehend Nature, once scene shows an artisan literally twisting copper pipes using industrial tools. Surely, 3d printing can alleviate this process (?).

 

[shamangineer]

ways wondered what would be the best way to create those spiralling pipes at home. In Copy and Comprehend Nature, once scene shows an artisan literally twisting copper pipes using industrial tools. Surely, 3d printing can alleviate this process (?).

With a bit of ingenuity you could print a spiral insert for the pipe and pin sections together with copper pins before stretching it for inserting into the copper pipe with string. The Stuttgart experiment would suggest that it would be best to tune the pitch angle of the insert to the water velocity. Once this was determined experimentally a die could be used to make a similar copper insert out of wire, but the best profile to reduce turbulence would be fin or vane profile. I wouldn't want most of the plastics you can print in my water due to leaching of plasticizers.

 

[enjoypolo]

Thank you for the insightful details, and I agree with the plastics. I remember reading in Callum Coats' book about using copper or wood being the best materials.