Flat Earth being a PsyOp

[nickzeptepi]

Okay, so we know these Nazi Paperclip guys went to Antarctica right before "going to the moon," so they clearly had other things on their minds. In context, the "moon landing" is the best Big Lie in history, but after convincing everyone that World War II was all about racial hate, they figured this moon thing was a walk in the park. The sorcerers who confused the world for at least two giant world wars were then imported to America where they could continue their experiment in farming people. This time they would give them the moon. As D. McGowan's piece points out, this poorly-filmed charade was supposedly pulled off with 0.004% of the fuel that the creator of the rockets said would be necessary to complete such a trip. To fully convince the entire American public and the world that this was possible - nay, that it occurred! - they used every trick in the book: drugs, hypnotism, mind-control trauma. Television was rolled out with relentless haste, followed hard upon by the psychedelic revolution (which we now know has some very dubious beginnings), and then to traumatize the entire nation you have the JFK assassination which STILL gets talked about as a major emotional trauma, along with a slew of other assassinations and the Vietnam War and the Manson murders. The mass media coverage of all of these events was the perfect execution of the techniques of mass-populous-trauma-based-mind-control that was honed and sharpened in the global media of WWII. With everyone so bummed out about carnage and violence AND super-high on talking-with-god doses of LSD, walking on the moon was the simplest thing to believe. Especially after they recorded so many rock songs about it.

But why would they be so emboldened as to think they could create such a monumental lie about something so universally common as the MOON? Didn't they think that somebody else would get there eventually and figure out that they were fibbing?
Or do you think that they just took Wernher Van Braun at his word when he said reaching the moon was a technical impossibility?
Or do you think that they knew something we don't know?

Just these considerations make me wonder about the model of the universe we live in. I'm not saying we live on an infinite flat plane, but maybe it's not a globe. If the Flat Earth thing is all a psy-op, then just what are they trying to hide? Because I have to come clean: Flat Earth was my big ticket down the rabbit hole. After I started looking into that, I found all the other conspiracies and it shattered all my paradigms. (I mean, Laurel Canyon, for Pete's sake!) So now it doesn't matter if the earth is flat or not, because my entire worldview is shifted; the spell is broken because I can see so much of the bullshit at face value. If this was an acceptable side-effect of a psy-op, what the hell are they hiding?!

Well, I think a lot of us here understand what they are hiding is that the Universe we inhabit is built of Consciousness.
If that's true, why can't it be flat and round, and dimensionless and a straight line and eleven dimensions all at once, depending on which part of Consciousness you viewed it from?
Maybe nobody goes over 400 miles above the planet because past there you just leave this dimension. That would make sense to me.

I value Dr J P Farrell's research and analysis. To paraphrase his hypothesis.
The Nazi's invented Anti grav tech in WW2, see his stuff on the Nazi Bell. With Paperclip etc the USA had their hands on the stuff and had developed usable craft. Kennedy was aware of this and made a public statement about going to the moon in the hope that the anti-grav tech they were hiding would be forced into the open. sidenote:- Roswell was a Nazi international anti-grav craft aliens was the controlled opposition cover story.
We did go to the moon but in a Anti-grav black op craft but what was publically shown was a studio production to keep the anti -grav tech under wraps & ensure the mission was perceived as a success even if they crashed on the moon and never came back.

Flat earth is only possible if the flat plane is inside a larger sphere/planet, so the questionis, is it inside the earth or inside something like Saturn OR it is completely a holographic computer model, either way staying in 1 rabbit hole and proselyting about it shows you have bought the constructed lie laid out for you.

I think the issue is to have your own sense of truth that you have decided upon the balance of probabilities test once you've gathered sufficient evidence to tip your own inner scales of truth. and always be open to adding more weight on either side as it discovered.

 

[nickzeptepi]

Okay, so we know these Nazi Paperclip guys went to Antarctica right before "going to the moon," so they clearly had other things on their minds. In context, the "moon landing" is the best Big Lie in history, but after convincing everyone that World War II was all about racial hate, they figured this moon thing was a walk in the park. The sorcerers who confused the world for at least two giant world wars were then imported to America where they could continue their experiment in farming people. This time they would give them the moon. As D. McGowan's piece points out, this poorly-filmed charade was supposedly pulled off with 0.004% of the fuel that the creator of the rockets said would be necessary to complete such a trip. To fully convince the entire American public and the world that this was possible - nay, that it occurred! - they used every trick in the book: drugs, hypnotism, mind-control trauma. Television was rolled out with relentless haste, followed hard upon by the psychedelic revolution (which we now know has some very dubious beginnings), and then to traumatize the entire nation you have the JFK assassination which STILL gets talked about as a major emotional trauma, along with a slew of other assassinations and the Vietnam War and the Manson murders. The mass media coverage of all of these events was the perfect execution of the techniques of mass-populous-trauma-based-mind-control that was honed and sharpened in the global media of WWII. With everyone so bummed out about carnage and violence AND super-high on talking-with-god doses of LSD, walking on the moon was the simplest thing to believe. Especially after they recorded so many rock songs about it.

But why would they be so emboldened as to think they could create such a monumental lie about something so universally common as the MOON? Didn't they think that somebody else would get there eventually and figure out that they were fibbing?
Or do you think that they just took Wernher Van Braun at his word when he said reaching the moon was a technical impossibility?
Or do you think that they knew something we don't know?

Just these considerations make me wonder about the model of the universe we live in. I'm not saying we live on an infinite flat plane, but maybe it's not a globe. If the Flat Earth thing is all a psy-op, then just what are they trying to hide? Because I have to come clean: Flat Earth was my big ticket down the rabbit hole. After I started looking into that, I found all the other conspiracies and it shattered all my paradigms. (I mean, Laurel Canyon, for Pete's sake!) So now it doesn't matter if the earth is flat or not, because my entire worldview is shifted; the spell is broken because I can see so much of the bullshit at face value. If this was an acceptable side-effect of a psy-op, what the hell are they hiding?!

Well, I think a lot of us here understand what they are hiding is that the Universe we inhabit is built of Consciousness.
If that's true, why can't it be flat and round, and dimensionless and a straight line and eleven dimensions all at once, depending on which part of Consciousness you viewed it from?
Maybe nobody goes over 400 miles above the planet because past there you just leave this dimension. That would make sense to me.

I value Dr J P Farrell's research and analysis. To paraphrase his hypothesis.
The Nazi's invented Anti grav tech in WW2, see his stuff on the Nazi Bell. With Paperclip etc the USA had their hands on the stuff and had developed usable craft. Kennedy was aware of this and made a public statement about going to the moon in the hope that the anti-grav tech they were hiding would be forced into the open. sidenote:- Roswell was a Nazi international anti-grav craft aliens was the controlled opposition cover story.
We did go to the moon but in a Anti-grav black op craft but what was publically shown was a studio production to keep the anti -grav tech under wraps & ensure the mission was perceived as a success even if they crashed on the moon and never came back.

Flat earth is only possible if the flat plane is inside a larger sphere/planet, so the questionis, is it inside the earth or inside something like Saturn OR it is completely a holographic computer model, either way staying in 1 rabbit hole and proselyting about it shows you have bought the constructed lie laid out for you.

I think the issue is to have your own sense of truth that you have decided upon the balance of probabilities test once you've gathered sufficient evidence to tip your own inner scales of truth. and always be open to adding more weight on either side as it discovered.

 

[shamangineer]

Mad Mike finally launched his rocket and went up less than 2000 ft. While Mike has landed safely, how that was supposed to be anything other than a stunt remains up in the air.

http://ux.azcentral.com/story/news/...-flat-blasts-off-self-built-rocket/457780002/

 

[matrixshifter]

I don't know what the the shape of the earth is, and I think there is a halfway point with all of this. There is an infiltration and push with flat earth in the media, and controlled opposition has taken control of that narrative, but why? And why does "fake space" have to lumped in with flat earth, why cant that be its own conspiracy? I find all of that fascinating as well, but every video and researcher seems to be tied with flat earth, which I find odd.

 

[matrixshifter]

Another thought to ponder. How come we never hear about Virgin Galactic? It started around the same time of Space X back in the 2000s, but it has apparently been a huge failure in not even being able to go to space. It seems Space X was chosen to replace NASA, and Virgin was left in the dust.

 

[sacroff]

The flat earth seems to drag a lot of people down the rabbit hole, which is good. Unless that’s all part of the plan.

FE gets more derision and aggression than any other topic out there. Even conspiracy theorists who lap up 911, JFK and the moon hoax are prepared to sneer and heap derision on discussion regarding FE.

To me that creates more reason the query the official narrative. Why go to such a great extent to counter it with Space X and all the other crap spewing forth from the controlled media.

There’s too much smoke for there not to be some fire, whatever that may be. There’s a complete lack of independent input outside what is government controlled. It’s no different to Antartica, which has a complete government monopoly.

 

[metalegs]

I feel the reason for the subterfuge about the shape of our environment is related to our proprioception, our understanding of where things are.

When your friendly constable insists you “close your eyes and touch your nose”. You can do this because of your understanding of your location in space. Your hand/nose locations specifically.

Extending from that, where your butt is in your recliner in relationship to the beer in the fridge is important if you want to replenish your drink instead of going on a prolonged walkabout.

Beyond that we have our place in the larger environment. Experienced outdoors-men have become lost, and do the total opposite of the right thing by forging ahead, despite the environment telling them to turn around or stop, and are often found miles from where they left the trail. All because their mental map does not match their environment.



We know that our perception (time) of the seasons is skewed due to calendar changes, shifted equinox dates, daylight savings time, shifting holidays. Even though we are told exactly when an eclipse will happen.



But hey, its just the sum of our understanding of space/time and where we fit into it.



What if, like a circus elephant we have been trained to plant our own stake and believe we are chained to it?



What if, we have the powers of a Dr Manhattan locked away by the manipulation of our minds and bodies?



What if, we are just people. Not super heroes. Just people kept off balance by the obscuring of the most basic of truths about our environment. Never to be completely stable or comfortable.

On purpose.

Just so we ignore the man behind the curtain.

Or superpowers, I want superpowers.

 

[hurmanetar]

@metalegs The mountain the picture is taken from elevation is 1.75 miles and the mountain in the center of the picture (at 443 km) elevation is 2.5 miles. Are there any other variables we need for an accurate calculation?

I find that B.O.B's gofundme campaign is strange. At first he was asking for $200,000, then he elevated it to one million! The money is going to go towards weather balloons and "research"...
https://www.gofundme.com/showBoBthecurve

Maybe a better case to put forward would be how are people using the flat earth to make money...

$1 million for a weather balloon... hmmm maybe I need to pretend to be a flat-earther for a while... beats an honest living.

The calculation for drop below the horizon is straightforward. The variable that is difficult to predict is air density. If you've looked across the hood of a hot car or a road on a hot day you can see that the path of light can be bent significantly in only a short distance due to temperature variation (which varies the density which varies the speed light travels which causes it to bend). So imagine light traveling 20 miles or more across hot and cold spots. Water currents, time of day, weather, etc... all can change temp and density of the air.

 

[shamangineer]

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Beyond that we have our place in the larger environment. Experienced outdoors-men have become lost, and do the total opposite of the right thing by forging ahead, despite the environment telling them to turn around or stop, and are often found miles from where they left the trail. All because their mental map does not match their environment..

I know this isn't really the thrust of this thread, but I have made similar comments. There seems to be two schools of wilderness/outdoors knowledge: military and indigenous. The military survival mindset is the one you speak of and comes from the training philosophy. In the military the survival of the person in the survival situation is secondary to the survival of the mission which often requires taking otherwise unnecessary risks. I tend to think of the military mindset as one of the mission vs extraction philosophy - you are surviviing long enough for completing your mission or being extracted out of the wilderness because long-term survival is not typically the point and being cut off from the larger group in a military situation means that survival is unlikely due to the risk to one's security. The indigenous philosophy is more about making one at home in the wilderness for as long as you are there and leveraging your surroundings to accomplish that goal.

I have a rule of thumb for survival show hosts called the puke scale: The more often someone throws up because they ate something they shouldn't have the higher the score. The top of the puke scale tends to be inhabited by those who have a background in the military - especially Bear Grylls. At the bottom I've found more indigenous minded outdoorsmen like Cody Lundin and Ray Mears.

Bear Grylls demonstrating how to nearly die several times over while "surviving":

Ray Mears making survival look easy:

 

[eyesajar]

Why is it to much to ask for a actual picture of the earth. Is it to much to ask for reproducible evidence of curvature with optics and not theoretical math? Before somebody says "Isee see curve when I'm in a jet plane" think about the horizon. Does it drop off? is the curve you see from the rounded window? When our basic senses and easily reproducible tests scream to us that the earth is not a spinning ball why are we discussing flat earth as a psyop? We should talk about the earth we've been presented as a psyop. Why do "They" want us to believe our whole world is something its not? Who is doing it? What does this revelation mean? Pfft pfftt. Ear man

 

[metalegs]

I know this isn't really the thrust of this thread, but I have made similar comments. There seems to be two schools of wilderness/outdoors knowledge: military and indigenous. The military survival mindset is the one you speak of and comes from the training philosophy. In the military the survival of the person in the survival situation is secondary to the survival of the mission which often requires taking otherwise unnecessary risks. I tend to think of the military mindset as one of the mission vs extraction philosophy - you are surviviing long enough for completing your mission or being extracted out of the wilderness because long-term survival is not typically the point and being cut off from the larger group in a military situation means that survival is unlikely due to the risk to one's security. The indigenous philosophy is more about making one at home in the wilderness for as long as you are there and leveraging your surroundings to accomplish that goal.

I have a rule of thumb for survival show hosts called the puke scale: The more often someone throws up because they ate something they shouldn't have the higher the score. The top of the puke scale tends to be inhabited by those who have a background in the military - especially Bear Grylls. At the bottom I've found more indigenous minded outdoorsmen like Cody Lundin and Ray Mears.


I totally agree about the vs nature mindsets.
But that wasn't my intended subject at all.
Both the military and indigenous mindset require a mental map to function. When that mental map does not match the physical world bad things can happen. When you get lost its because you think your somewhere you are not. Video games are a good example, mall parking lots when you come out the wrong door, get "turned around" in a large store or event.
Enter questions about the shape of the earth. Maybe it isn't a ball. maybe its a much much bigger ball and we live in a snow globe type enclosure with dozens more outside of ours a-la Oblivion (2013). Or inside the hollow earth. Or maybe inside a computer.
Whatever it is. Keeping us guessing seems to be par for the course. Guessing about the season, real time, the timeline, hell the truth of anything.

 

[sevenmead]

When I started digging into Flatt earth youtube really push that stuff at me. I have never seen any other topic get pushed like that... so that raised my eyebrows. I also saw a mock flat earth post get made on imgur and the author said in the comments that he was immediately hit up more than once to make more for money.

I think that the need for a "WILD" conspiracy to muddy truth on the internet would be par for the course so the real question is which one is the dis-info... if not all. I think Flat Earth fits this bill very nicely. Zero whistle blowers I have seen, deep state, SSP, abduction, remote viewing support a flat earth. It just stinks of psy-op to me.

 

[sacroff]

I was reflecting on the Moon Hoax after rereading this today. I think the most damning thing against the moon landing happening is the fact that a second country has never landed on the moon. Surely Russia, China, England, France, Germany etc would have done it by now. Seems ridiculous, it’s like one country in. ancient times finding America and visiting an LA beach for a couple of hours on 6 occassions, telling the entire world about it and then nobody on the planet ever visiting again. Makes no sense at all.

 

[shamangineer]

 

[shamangineer]

After 18:25 Robert Sepehr talks about the Flat Earth being started as a Phonetician propaganda campaign to make people afraid of making the trip to America, where Carthage / Phoenicia had colonies. If this is true it would make Flat Earth perhaps the world's oldest self-perpetuating propaganda campaign.