Flat Earth theory / Eric Dubay.

[hammer1]

Snipers correct for the Coriolis effect? Really?

I do quite a bit of rifle shooting. Daily. I do not daily take 500m - 1 km shots, but really, not many snipers do either.

The rotations that riflemen do have to account for is the rotation of the projectile relative to the wind. This is because depending or the rotation of the projectile, clock or counter clock, it will want to either climb up or down against the wind.

I have never, and I really mean never, heard talk of a person firing a projectile at over 3000 feet per second over a distance of around 1 km taking earth rotation 'whip effect', or Coriolis effect into account.

Wouldn't you also have to take into account the direction you were firing in?

I really have given up caring wether the Earth is a sphere, flat or a tube,( because that really has no bearing on me groking the game or working out how to reliably get out of it at will.) but your rifleman comment intrigued me.

H

 

[shamangineer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX7dcl_ERNs

The above applies to the northern hemisphere.

 

[hammer1]

Damn. Now I am going to have to go and get setup for a little bit of long range recon! Lucky I live in the middle of nowhere.

Not that I don't trust him, but I prefer hard experience before making a call.... a true wizard gets his hands dirty.

Thanks for posting this, Sharmangineer.

H

P.S. A true Flaty would counter that the 'holographic matrix' has 'effects' programed into it to fool you, but I won't open that can of worms...

 

[shamangineer]

Similar effects are Focault Pendulum rotation in opposite directions in Northern and Southern Hemispheres, as well as the way the toilet flushes changes at the equator (thats an easy experiment the next time you cross the equator). If it were a solid spinning disk this would not be possible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b14l3-A8iUQ

As far as "that can of worms" it is basically saying "reality is unknowable" at which point there is little point in pursuing the conversation further isn't there since nobody can know anything, even what was just said. Just sayin'. . . These sorts of arguments are posited by those who want you to have faith in something without quantitative or qualitative evidence whether that evidence be objective or subjective.

 

[hammer1]

Yeah. I have really been trying to get away from "belief" as much as possible.

I either know, or I don't know. It seem like it's all about being happy with the " I don't know" bit!

 

[shamangineer]

Okay then, tell me how this flat motionless disk accounts for the below listed effects:

Bullet trajectory rise & drop (as shown in the above video)

Opposite rotation of Focault pendulums and toilets in the Northern and Southern Hemisphere.

The fact that you seem to find it unfathomable that a person at the North pole and Equator would be spinning at different rates (why not? - you say the answer is easily determined then leave it hanging. . . ). All you say is think about it, but you give no indication how you thought about it, or any supplementary information to determine what YOUR rationale (which obviously differs from others) actually is for thinking about what gives rise to the above observations.

 

[shamangineer]

<img src="http://www.characterink.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Troll_940px.jpg" alt="troll" />

I hear troll whistles, anybody else hear that? I guess asking a logical series of questions got the book thrown at me again.

 

[antayat]

This isnpretty interesting.


Watch "US Navy Missile Instructor confirms FLAT EARTH - SW21" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/xJOB0vcZ4NI

 

[antayat]

Im still up in the air about flat earth. Dubay makes some compelling arguments. I'm going to make some observations myself and see if it jives with what Daubay said. I just purchased a telescope and will be travelling soon. It should be interesting. Check this out.


https://youtu.be/xJOB0vcZ4NI

 

[hurmanetar]

Wow flat earth seems to be the hot topic here.

Just listened to part of the Dubay interview and had to turn it off. The lack of critical thinking and understanding of basic physics was appalling. Trains going uphill and then downhill due to curvature? Wtf?

Spiritual warrior trolled this thread earlier with a lot more nonsense. The first example was an argument based on flight path from Taiwan to LA. And he had a straight line drawn on a Mercator projection. A straight line on a Mercator projection is not the shortest distance between two points on the globe unless the two points are on the equator or due north/south. Get an actual globe out and draw the shortest distance between two points and then trace the same path on a Mercator projection and you'll have an arc.

Come on people, the earth is round. There's a lot of conspiracies about but this isn't one. Or rather it might be a conspiracy to discredit alternative truthers by putting this out there to see who will bite. Get someone to make a public comment in support of flat earth and that person is instantly subject to scorn and discredited. Sounds plausible.

 

[shamangineer]

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There’s a lot of conspiracies about but this isn’t one. Or rather it might be a conspiracy to discredit alternative truthers by putting this out there to see who will bite. Get someone to make a public comment in support of flat earth and that person is instantly subject to scorn and discredited. Sounds plausible.
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[fullspectrum]

I've plotted on a graph the azimuthal projection on the earth and it looks like the shape of the surface is basically flat with the earth's outer edge suddenly scooping up and out at the outer realm, sort of like a sideways bracket{ without the inner tip.
Can anyone input a model into a stat database using the data from aa.usno.navy.mil?

 

[enjoypolo]

I come here completely as an outsider since I have not even entirely listened to the episodes.
Frankly, this post seems to have turned into too many assumptions on both sides which renders the discussion completely flat.

While I can entertain the idea of fakery perpetuated by NASA and friends (though that would include all astronauts as well), I do have several questions that pop-in to my mind.

For one, the concept of toroidal energy as being a universal symbol (sacred geometry) that is fundamental to all systems beingness. How does that fit in within the flat earth paradigm? Though geometry = frequency (and vice-versa). Would a flat disc shape be a holographic representation of a sphere? That may shed light on how toroidal energies could work in flat shapes, though this is pure speculation on my part.

Are there any reasons as to why it would be flat in the first place? Deliberately or by nature? And is it just us? These are rethorical questions which I'm sure I would find answers to if I had listened to the episode.

I also do entertain the possibility of it being an elaborate psy-op model. After all, many have fallen into the 911TruthMovement clap-trap only to be distracted by the fundamental truth based on assumptions ultimately never convincingly proven.

In the end, I would only really entertain a serious inquiry at the level of meticulousness as witnessed by Judy Wood's "Where Did The Towers Go?". That is, empirical evidence first and absolutely no assumptions throughout. And last but not least, good luck, whatever the outcome, inquiry into truth requires open-mindedness.

 

[phil t]

Hi TH Chaters, I have found great joy in THC content so far and enjoy the far out stuff even though I am likely to be from Greg's father's generation. I heard him comment on one show that it was suitable to play to your dad. It was the one with the chap explaining that it was likely that there had been a war on Mars judging by the chemicals found in the atmosphere. Anyway I am one who finds the flat earth talk very irritating. The various proponents sound kind of plausible and I know a few people who are convinced by very very odd arguements and lashings of sloppy thinking. It really has nothing to do with all the other issues to which it is linked such as Moon landings and 911. NASA does not have to be ionvolved. I live by the sea and own a theodolite inherited from my Dad who was a surveyor. I set out to demonstrate that the horizon I see was curved. I did my first experiment alone and unfilmed just to be sure. I was going to be able to make a convincing proof. I then fixed a little cheap sports camera to the eyepiece and set out to make a You Tube see it here:-

https://youtu.be/sqWVCmjF7R0

I have already had a comment from someone accusing me of scamming which kind of suggests I might be at least close to the mark with this approach. What does anyone make of it, it is only 3.5 mins long. It shows a curved horizon honest. I plan to do a follow up with a camera closer to the theodolite in the hopes I can make it unargueable.

 

[phil t]

Hi TH Chaters, I have found great joy in THC content so far and enjoy the far out stuff even though I am likely to be from Greg's father's generation. I heard him comment on one show that it was suitable to play to your dad. It was the one with the chap explaining that it was likely that there had been a war on Mars judging by the chemicals found in the atmosphere. Anyway I am one who finds the flat earth talk very irritating. The various proponents sound kind of plausible and I know a few people who are convinced by very very odd arguements and lashings of sloppy thinking. It really has nothing to do with all the other issues to which it is linked such as Moon landings and 911. NASA does not have to be ionvolved. I live by the sea and own a theodolite inherited from my Dad who was a surveyor. I set out to demonstrate that the horizon I see was curved. I did my first experiment alone and unfilmed just to be sure. I was going to be able to make a convincing proof. I then fixed a little cheap sports camera to the eyepiece and set out to make a You Tube see it here:-

https://youtu.be/sqWVCmjF7R0

I have already had a comment from someone accusing me of scamming which kind of suggests I might be at least close to the mark with this approach. What does anyone make of it, it is only 3.5 mins long. It shows a curved horizon honest. I plan to do a follow up with a camera closer to the theodolite in the hopes I can make it unargueable.

 

[phil t]

The link was missing for above double post sorry I am a newbie
<a href="https://youtu.be/sqWVCmjF7R0">Curved Horizon Experiment not NASA not flat </a>

 

[phil t]

Hi I am replying to my own post now because I now realise that my previous post promoting the curved horizon viewed through a theodolite was a flawed experiement and when I set it up precisely level the effect prviously observed disappeared. The bloody horizon was actually flat. I was impressed shocked and a little ashamed. I do not believe the earth is flat I think that is utterly ridiculous but it is not so easy to demonstrate as I thought. I would appreciate any input particularly from anyone who understands what a real theodolite does. Cheers

 

[skytown]

I found this video just the other day and Don't really know where to put it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHkiZNT3cyE

Here is an Engish speakers take at decoding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3asNnLc7w8o

I hope I am not completely derailing you guys.

 

[nickzeptepi]

I saw a comment from a US college flat earth society president they had 73 members and a poll showed the majority voted for Clinton and just under a quarter voted Trump. Take what you will from it.

Most of his arguments are anomalies in observation, and discrepancies with the gravitational model, they don't even look at Electric Universe theroy which has a lot of credibility. And no one considers that the eye ball is concave and will make adjustments until you get high enough with a wide enough viewing angle, 40,000ft and 60 degree view which you don't get from a tiny plane window.

Another thing no one discusses is where is their flat earth, it is not floating in space in the 3rd rock from the sun position, nature always makes the most efficient shape for space occupied which is a ball - think of water drops. So where is it, the only places it could be is as a completely computer generated holographic type simulation. Or is inside a larger Sphere (Saturn maybe) and the stars are projected on a dome like the Hunger games, if this is so there is much more concerning questions to be asked.

By saying - look something doesn't add up is fine but to state the earth is flat from that shows a big lack in reasoning and critical thinking.

 

[thenighthawk]

I am a new member to the plus community. One of the reasons I wanted to join was to listen to this episode. I have watched the videos on youtube. I am truly fascinated by this theory and agree that Eric makes a nice presentation of his facts and beliefs. When I first heard of this theory, I was amazed to think that anyone could take it seriously. I struggle to join the ranks of flat earth believers. This would require an amazing conspiracy with constructs that defy logic. So maybe I am not swimming deep enough in the dark conspiracy waters yet. But, if there is a moon and it is where I have always been told it is, then watching the earth pass across it during an eclipse shows a global planet. So a compelling theory for sure. There are so many questions right now. When you look at the renewed interest and VIP visits to Antarctica, you might find some truth in there which brings 'flat earth' more credibility. So right now I stand on the global earth!