Karma

[wget]

I've noticed a reoccurring theme on this show is a notion of the Nefarious Shadowy Elite (the NSE, or insert your favourite interchangeable term) being able to get away with what they do because of foretelling, or at least hinting at, what they're going to do, which supposedly frees them of any karmic responsibility. It's an interesting proposition, but the theme never seems to be explored in any depth.

For example, what if the beings they revealed their plans to had neither the intellectual capacity, the time, or the choice (etc.) to understand their meaning? It would be like a fisherman writing something along the lines of

WARNING TO ALL FISH: IF YOU BITE THIS LURE, IT WILL HOOK INTO YOUR MOUTH AND YOU WILL BE PULLED OUT OF THE WATER.

Presumably the fish had no way of understanding the warning.

When anthropomorphised, the scenario becomes comparable to stories of the Tower of Bable. That is to say, is the NSE still karmically off the hook if those who it supposedly revealed its plans to in advance had no way of understanding it?

 

[enjoypolo]

It's a good question, and probably one that I've struggled with since the beginning of my waking state.
The way I feel about it is that, those who commit such crimes against humanity can't/won't ultimately escape their karmic payback. Sooner or later, they'll have to face the consequences of their deeds. What they are doing, by life extension, cloning of bodies and consciousness transplants, seems to me like a way of prolonging this incarnation in order to "escape" judgement Day.
I think Mark Passio was talking about this as well, the herd controlling the herd, so that the "shepherds" don't have blood on their hands. It seems like a fallacy to me though.

 

[nickzeptepi]

What if THEY could warn the fish in such a way that was comprehensible by the fish, but the fishes own incredulity meant they did not heed the warning as it would never happen them because they are so well informed and clever enough to spot a false bait, and so they ignore the warning.

Giving notice and "ignorance is no defense" is part of common law, so if the notice was in writing but you never learnt to read then that's your own ignorance.

 

[sirujux]

ive heard that white people or anyone non balck have the blood of the reptilians or whatever and we will have to pay for everything. that sounds racist but it kinda makes sense with what you guys are talking about. if you didnt do anything how will you get bad carma? unless you have the bad peoples blood. ive heard how if your great great grandpa was cursed it could pass on to you. thats kinda different though, but both you cant get rid of. that sounds like a very smart being would do.

 

[nickzeptepi]

ive heard that white people or anyone non balck have the blood of the reptilians or whatever and we will have to pay for everything. that sounds racist but it kinda makes sense with what you guys are talking about. if you didnt do anything how will you get bad carma? unless you have the bad peoples blood. ive heard how if your great great grandpa was cursed it could pass on to you. thats kinda different though, but both you cant get rid of. that sounds like a very smart being would do.

The white / black race thing is a divisive control mechanism - try this about root races and how each epoch race has the full spectrum of skin colors, but each epoch can over lap with the one previous and be still present when the next starts.
So it could be said, indigenous people around the world could be from the previous epoch and Judeochristain people are from this current Kali Yuga Epoch race.

 

[magic123]

I think most of the foreshadowing comes to us through hollywood and entertainment producers in general.
Because consumers seem to have a taste for content that involves or suggests themes of destruction, mental enslavement, and the decline of morality and intelligence, then that is what they will continue to feed us, both in "entertainment" (consider the etymology of the word) , as well as in the "real world".
I do wholeheartedly believe that the NSE considers it "permission" to give us what they feel we need, based on the success of their campaign thus far.
How I think it will all end; the 3fold law of returns pretty much sums it up.
What each of us can do personally; demand a higher standard from content creators, and above all, know thyself and become more responsible for what we allow in through our senses.

 

[sirujux]

i barly watch tv and movies. i have nightmares of reptilians though. they are scary and they have many tricks. you pretend your not scared and then they scar you, then try and kill you. i have weird dreams all the time though.

races need to come together, instead we are all into religion or doing drugs. thats deviding us a lot

 

[magic123]

I used to have recurring nightmares as a child, of creatures coming to destroy me. Not just kill me, but utterly destroy me. To other people they appeared human, but I saw them as abominations.
It wasn't until years later that I was discussing dreams with a friend, and we realized we both had the same nightmares as children, and also that we lived near each other at the time, but didn't meet until years later.
In recent years, since I have become a spiritual warrior, the demons and other creatures of the dream realm have no power over me. I still face evil in my dreams, but they are not nightmares.
I would recommend you don't watch as many videos online, and spend more time connecting with divinity and building your spiritual armour.
I don't mean any disrespect by this, I know you said you don't watch that much media, I just believe it's good general advice for everyone.

 

[sirujux]

sometimes im fine but life never gets easier. ever since a kid its been this same thing. ill try to be spiritual

 

[wget]

@magic123 what you're describing sounds more like 'pathological marketing feedback loops' than 'permission' to me. A bit misguided to conflate the two concepts, no?

 

[magic123]

@magic123 what you're describing sounds more like 'pathological marketing feedback loops' than 'permission' to me. A bit misguided to conflate the two concepts, no?

What I said was that I believe "they" interpret it as permission.
Yes, I agree with you, there is absolutely a difference. You and I can spot the difference, the NSE cannot.

 

[magic123]

To wget
I definitely agree with your fish analogy as well.
As Ras Ben recently stated on THC, these "elite" communicate
in the language of the muses; symbolism. This is a language not spoken by the masses, any more than fish speak english, but it does influence them on deep psychological levels nonetheless.

 

[magic123]

i barly watch tv and movies. i have nightmares of reptilians though. they are scary and they have many tricks. you pretend your not scared and then they scar you, then try and kill you. i have weird dreams all the time though.

races need to come together, instead we are all into religion or doing drugs. thats deviding us a lot

You are correct sirujux, they do have many tricks. Deception is what they have to resort to out of fear. When you have no real power over something/someone, the only option is to resort to trickery and deception. I'm not preaching Christianity here, but Satan is the father of lies, and that means a great deal symbolically.
I am a stage magician by trade, and to quote one of my mentors, "we teach truth through illusion, and illusion through truth".

 

[wget]

The cynical exploitation of marketing feedback loops, to the extent that those caught up within them are more or less deeply physically and psychologically incapable of granting permission, reminds me of so-called "autoimmune diseases" attacking the body. For example, lupus. In contexts of pathology, I wonder if there is a connection beyond analogies and puns.

 

[wget]

I think Mark Passio was talking about this as well, the herd controlling the herd, so that the "shepherds" don't have blood on their hands. It seems like a fallacy to me though.

Wasn't MP making a simple dichotomy between 'order givers' and 'order takers' and bizarrely attempting to attribute all karmic responsibility and blame to the latter? Or am I misremembering?

That episode had me thinking of Hannah Arendt's concept of "the banality of evil" to say the least. It seemed completely lost on Passio.

 

[naphtha]

Then we come to full circle. Where do the karmic laws originate? In order for there to be any law there has to be a governing force. A law not enforced is not law by definition. Lets assume the karmiac laws are in place. If they exist, it would be one of the two possibilities. It would be supernaturally mandated, where the spirits who confer with the elites have no possibility or choice but to oblige to the governing force. They are forced to compel like robots, which dosent hold up well, or they have a choice. Each choice has a consequence. Each purchase is a debt that must be paid. It seems the buck is getting passed.

If I told you, that the vehicle on the road was my car and I left my wallet in it. Would you please mind getting it for me? As your leaning in the car, you get a club from a friendly police man, and get arrested. Who's going down for the crime? Not me. I hope. They hope.

What one guest said stuck with me. Most people seek political office to help people for the greater good. But, it would be naive to believe that the reciprocal is not true. Some people seek political office purely to do wrong. To hurt.
I guess in a nutshell, it seems like the mischief makers are trying not to suffer the consequences, regardless of the pathetic excuse. Or maybe, the spirits have a no fucks given attitude, after all, they know their judgement already.

 

[wget]

Then we come to full circle. Where do the karmic laws originate?

Something else to explore prior to citation.

Or maybe, the spirits have a no fucks given attitude, after all, they know their judgement already.

Vicious circles of preordained and preknown judgement? Why would the spirits have interest in perpetuating such a situation? Wouldn't that suggest certain blind spots in their foreknowledge?

 

[sirujux]

i think thats another type of karma. maybe its real complex. this video explains it well. why we keep coming back here

 

[naphtha]

That’s assuming they do have foreknowledge. I don’t think they do. I think they are beings much like ourselves, except the human emotion aspect is removed, so that’s why they never understand our ration or decision making. I think their foreknowledge would be as deep as mine. If I murder somebody in the middle of town, it doesn’t take a Chrystal ball to know I’ll be going to jail. The punishment is the jail, the judgement is the court proceedings. I’m over here assuming I’m going to be found guilty, and going to go to jail. So what do I do? Run from the cops, get in shoot outs and try to get out of it. The idea is, they have to ante up for breaking the rules.

If the idea of karmic laws are accepted to any degree, then you are forced to accept the idea of consequence and judgement. And those questions lead me back to the beginning. Where did these damn rules come from, if they are true.

It’s like a flow chart. Is karma real, yes or no. If you say yes, then you only have a few options. Are the laws mandated divinely or cosmically? If you say no to that, then I don’t see how it could be a law. It all changes depending on how you answer each rung of the flow chart.

 

[naphtha]

Its like Ras was saying in the book of Enoch. When the beings came down, around 212 I think, their leader said “I fear you will not agree to do this deed and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of this great sin. And the others said let us take an oath and bind ourselves by mutual implication not to abandon this plan but to do it.” They know their judgement because they know fully the offense they are committing.