Enoypolo, I don't think your arguments have gone far with hisich. Mostly because he thinks Bezos' farts smell like liberty.
That's okay, I don't necessarily want to impose my views on others. The problem I have with
Libertarian-ism in general, is that it seems to me, like a reactionary position to a corrupted government, while ultimately giving near-total "liberty" to the same organizations that corrupted the gov in the first place, aka the Bilderberger-MIC, which includes Amazon, through things like de-regulation (also what's called ultra-liberalism).
By the way, those are usually the first comapanies to automatize their workplace, and treat their employees like a commodity.
Maybe it's a European thing, but I still believe in the wisdom of the crowds, or at least have faith in the good-ness of humans
if only they can be given the space to grow. That's a big if, but there are many parts of the populations that can't provide their reached yet, including the US where so many people live paycheque to paycheque, if not worse (debt & loans, etc.).
1) One figure that's often cited is Maslow's hierarchy of basic needs (see below).
A population struggling financially will be pushed at the bottom of the pyramid, not able to climb up. Ideally, a UBI would guarantee a dignified subsistence, at least for its citizens.
Andrew Yang proposes $1,000/months or $12,000 USD/year per individual over 18.
For most people, that cash will be added to what they currently make.
I even open to think prisoners should be allowed to receive it, if it can help them rehabilitate to regular life better.
Again, for anyone who's done
the fact research on previous UBI experiments, in places where it's been tried, generally you see a correlation between the pilot, and an increase across many social indicators, including things such as community volunteering, civic engagement, but even more importantly, better health, less high-school drop-out rates, less mental health issues, and so on.
Even the mediocre Finish experiment results confirm that.
2) Here's another case: Alaska's Permanent Dividend Fund
is pretty much a UBI generated from the exploitation of oil companies on their territory. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see many Alaskans protesting that policy that's been giving them a meager UBI amounting to $2,000 annually for the last couple decades. Still better than nothing though.
3) In my senior year at college years ago, I presented the UBI and
its stigmas in the Dauphin, Manitoba Mincome experiment of the 70's. What's become clear to me, was that receiving money from the government was considered morally taboo due to the stigmas associated with welfare recipients who are often viewed as lazy, or only for the ill and disabled.
Then there's the issue of welfare trap, which locks recipients into a dichotomy of
either welfare or the low-level job (with now the risk of losing the welfare cheques) which is exacerbating the situation, ultimately making many welfare recipient
dependent on his/her cheques, and thus unlikely to look for work.
With the Mincome however, since everyone in the community had it, and it was no-strings-attached, the welfare stigma was absent, and it was viewed as discretionary cash for everyone. Instead of
dividing the community between working-class and welfare recipients, it gave everyone a cushion,
including the workers who could always use that extra money. The Mincome experiment vanished soon enough, and was swept under the rug, even though all these positive feedbacks were becoming apparent.
It showed me that perception is key, and it how you approach to people can vary because many's first reactions is usually tainted by the current, broken welfare system designed,
which dare I say, is a major component of the archonic paradigm.
And last but not least, I am not suggesting the UBI is the end-it-all magic pill that'll make us happy.
Hell no, but it's a strong enough ladder that can get us towards where we need to go.
If you were on a ship, you'd be glad there is a rescue raft with enough space for everyone in case your ship sinks.
With a UBI, a community like this one could chip in some of the money that funds THC, or the next-door neighbour engineer interested in over-unity science; or folks who decide they want to grow organic mushrooms in the backyards and setup a local entreprise would be able to do so, with a little more leeway financially.
At worst, it's a good short-term solution. Long-term, once we get replicators in place, I don't even know if we'll need money. But I digress.
So that's my two cents, and there's still so much to talk about in the details, but that's a good start.
